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Al DuClur's avatar

Good post. Also worth noting is that the "Catholics" behind the reversal of the Catholic stance on Jews were Jewish "converts" to Catholicism.

https://forward.com/opinion/159955/converts-who-changed-the-church/

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From the linked article: Nostra aetate did not confirm Jesus was a Jew. The English text is below for your inspection. Do not rely on Jews to give you an account of the Catholic faith. Vatican II taken as a whole, and Nostra aetate in particular is attempting only to proclaim where the Catholic faith sees truth in other religions.

There are converted Jews to Catholicism. Interestingly, it appears the Holy Spirit directs them to where they might be most useful and generally out of decision making areas. If anything I would say the misinformation and hatred over Vatican II is being stoked in part by secular Jews. The Forward article confirms such ideas. I have found it remarkable how willing they are to comment on religions that have nothing to do with them.

https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

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I tend to believe that what has happened in the Catholic Church regarding the Jews is a temporary and protective measure. Since the mid 19th century, Jews as a collective have come to a great deal power that they have never experienced since the fall of Jerusalem. They may have it for a little while longer.

The mission of the Church is not to set everything correct in the temporal realm. It's to get as many people to love God as possible and get them to Heaven. What people believe about modern Jews either way has little impact on that question.

For the record, Jesus has never been declared a Jew by the Catholic faith. (Mary has, I believe.) Further, what declarations they have made involve a)believing current Jews to be of Abraham's stock and b)correctly noting that 2000 years on blaming modern Jews for the cruxification of Christ is unhelpful in evangelization efforts. The JQ is bound up with the schismatic movement inside the Church as well, unfortunately.

Yes, there were Jews who killed Christian children, including St. Hugh, and St. Simon of Trent. Unfortunately, the groups most interested/motivated in the topic are usually struggling with some aspect of their faith, descending into a lack of faith and charity. Your link talking about the removal of remains itself dead ends, by the way.

It's not that hard to separate a few isolated groups in history totally over the edge versus most of the Jews through time. However, as you correctly and wonderfully noted, we live in a bizarre era where negative comment/observation=hating Jews=vile human being. Thus the strange unwillingness to allow any truth to leak out.

My own modern observations are that there's a tad less enthusiasm in 2024 for seeing Jews as history's automatic saints, even by people who know nothing beyond after school specials/enforced education. It's too bad it's taking the deaths of the residents of the Gaza strip to begin to undo the process.

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